Heritage of Healing
This podcast episode delves into the traditional practice of curanderismo, focusing on the relationship between an apprentice and her master healer, La Maestra Michelle. Michelle explains the various types of curanderos and their specialties, which include massage, midwifery, herbalism, and spiritual healing. The episode also discusses the interchangeable use of terms like curandera, shaman, and medicine person, as well as the cultural roots and misconceptions surrounding these practices.
Listeners are cautioned that the podcast is for entertainment and not medical advice. The episode highlights the importance of lineage and the apprenticeship process in becoming a curandera, emphasizing the long-term dedication required to master the healing arts.
Heritage of Healing
From Heartbreak to Healing
Can tapping into your sexual energy unlock a wellspring of creativity and manifestation in your life? Join us as we sit down with Michelle, a revered curandera and maestra, who reveals the sacred nature of sexual energy and its profound impact beyond physical pleasure. Michelle shares her extraordinary journey of childhood visions of the divine feminine energy, Our Lady of Light, and the ancient teachings bestowed upon her. Through her wisdom, you’ll discover how sustaining an ecstatic, orgasmic state can transform your existence and fuel your creative endeavors.
We also journey through the painful yet empowering process of breaking free from toxic relationships. Hear the heart-wrenching tale of a woman in her 40s who, despite multiple attempts, struggled to sever ties with an unfaithful partner until she sought Michelle's curanderismo practices. From cleansing baths to energetic unhooking rituals, learn how she reclaimed her strength and independence. We delve into the mysterious world of energetic exchange in relationships, uncovering its lasting emotional and mental effects. By understanding these dynamics, people can find the strength to leave unsatisfactory unions.
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Is sex just about physical pleasure, or is it only one way to harness an energetic creative force that is very much a part of every single one of us? Today we are going to have an elevated conversation about energetic fuel, manifestation and sacred sexuality. Curanderismo addresses the needs of the mind, body and spirit. Even still, some people may struggle to discuss certain topics such as sex and sexuality. An experienced and mature curandera is no stranger to addressing any matter of human concern, but, like with anything else, you should ensure that you are working with someone that has proper experience. Michelle is a curandera, but when I refer to her as la maestra, that cues you into the fact that she has an abundance of wisdom.
Speaker 2:Listen to her describe a maestra in her own words. Maestra is somebody who's a practitioner of curanderismo who has been initiated by another master, by another teacher or many teachers, depending. In my case it's many and you've come through these initiations, which are years and years of training and teachings and testing. An initiation is a testing. It's testing you to see are you ready, are you ready to hold the medicine ways? Are you ready to hold this knowledge? Are you ready to be in integrity with it? Are you ready? Do you know? Have you practiced it? Have you failed and come back and learn those lessons through curanderismo. In those ways, not everybody can be called a maestra.
Speaker 2:A maestra is somebody who has had those years and years of training and initiation, of training and initiation, and so in that is a knowledge base that doesn't come from the internet, doesn't come from a book you read. It's a way of life. So being a maestra is not a hat that I put on just sometimes. It's a way of life, it's a way of being, it's walking the talk, it's doing the things that I share with other people to do. If you were to equate it to the Western world, that's a person that has a couple of and they know their stuff and they've been working in the field for 40 years. The maestra is one who teaches others as well and, in that capacity, that's part of why we're doing what we're doing with these audios and videos is to teach people these tools and these methodologies so that they can heighten their own frequency and improve their lives and heal and shift and change and transform and all of those things that we're all looking for in this human experience.
Speaker 1:Sex is one of those polarizing topics. Some feel it is incredibly important to talk about it and they may even find it easy to talk about. Some feel it's inappropriate and uncomfortable to discuss. So I asked Michelle is the topic of sexuality important for everybody to learn about?
Speaker 2:topic of sexuality important for everybody to learn about, no matter your age, whether you're sexually active, whether you're a child or you're a great-grandmother and you're not sexually active. The sexual energy, again, is that creative life force. It's a fuel. It's an energetic fuel that we're given when we come into a human body and it's that fuel that allows us to manifest and create. And so we don't understand it in the West. We don't understand it. So if you take the word sexual out of it, because that could create in some people's mind like a perversion, so let's move that word out, the sexual energy, and look at it as a creative life force.
Speaker 2:And you look at little children which are all they're doing is creating. They're creating mud balls, they're creating paintings, they're creating all kinds of things with their imagination. They're using that force. It's a force of light. So children come in alive with it and you can see it all over them energetically. You could see that light all around them and some of us are blessed with the knowing of the connection to that kind of blissful orgasmic energy. And when you look at orgasm again, take the piece of sex and intercourse out of it and just think about this for a second. You could be in an ecstatic, orgasmic state, which is your natural state of being all the time. You want to talk about magic. How would that be to be walking around in that level of bliss all the time?
Speaker 1:Obviously, we are talking about sexual energy in a very specific way, right. I was curious where Michelle developed her insights on the matter.
Speaker 2:So as a young child, when I was, let's say, three, four years old, I would receive visions of Mary, the divine feminine energy. And I was a little girl and my grandmother, teresa Gabaldon Rios, who's obviously in the spirit world at this point in time, I would tell her our lady of light, the lady of light is here and my grandmother was very Catholic, very religious, and she would stop making food or whatever it is that she was doing, and she would get on her knees and begin praying and she would tell me when the lady leaves, let me know. And so this would happen very frequently when I was a young child and my mother knew this, my grandmother knew this and one of my aunts knew of it and knew that this was happening to me, and I would receive messages from our lady, the lady of light, as I called her at the very beginning, how she told me to call her, and all of my life I've received visions, and so about 1993, 92, I'm going back in time trying to think exactly she really started coming a lot. She really started coming a lot, and in that process she gave me all kinds of information and a lot of it was tied to this idea of the sexual energy and the Kundalini being a sacred fuel and how to use it and what are misuses of it and how you want to hone that energy, misuses of it and how you want to hone that energy. And so she gave me a series of teachings that really shaped me early on in my life and then in my teenage years and then in my twenties, and then these very strong visions came, and one of the reasons that she brought this to me is because she said there's certain paths that you can take to, let's say let's use the word awaken or become enlightened, become illuminated in your own mind. And she said one of those ways is through prayer, meditation, fasting, visualizations and lovemaking.
Speaker 2:So you're talking about sex and she says lovemaking is a vehicle that takes you directly into your natural state of being, in orgasm. It takes you there and if you learn how to, let's say, heighten relationship into a sacred vessel, you and your partner are going to become enlightened pretty quickly. But there's work connected to it, because that means you got to. You have to have the divine in the center. This isn't religious. This is a vehicle, it's an energetic vehicle when you have love at the center and that divine love at the center of a relationship and your hearts are connected in love and that sacred fuel, that sexual energy, moves up into the heart center. You blast this open, this energy, open from the heart radiance and that is transformative energetically all around you. So you can send that energy. You can direct that energy to a cancer tumor. You can direct that energy to a goal. You can direct it to humanity. You can do all kinds of things with it.
Speaker 1:Over the years, Michelle has heard some consistent themes when people bring questions about relationships to her. We will spend the rest of this episode and the second part of this topic on another episode addressing some common relational questions. Here's the first. Maestra, I keep feeling pulled to my ex and I don't know why. Can you explain what's going on and how I might be able to move on?
Speaker 2:Let me teach this with a story. So I had a client recently come in. She was in her 40s, so not a young person, very manipulative, bordering on narcissistic behaviors and attitudes. And this guy would cheat on her. Okay, they were, they were not married, but they were living together in a committed relationship. And then he would run off and go screw around, but never, ever with a conversation like, hey, I want to be free.
Speaker 2:It was just this, he was cheating on her. He would come back to her, they would make love, they had this strong connection, according to her, and then he'd run off and go with other women and back and forth for several years. And she finally got the courage, if you will, to say, even though I have this feeling of love for this man, I see the danger and the toxicity connected to him and I don't want to be with him anymore. So she broke up with him and she would inevitably hook up with him again. They would run into each other, he would call and he would text, almost like an addiction. And so finally, she's okay. I am mentally and emotionally detaching myself from him and I'm removing myself and I'm not going to answer the calls, I'm not going to go back into the relationship. I'm not going to go and be with him sexually. The whole thing is just very toxic.
Speaker 2:And so she came to see me. She had been in therapy with someone and was working on those issues that I'm not really going to discuss, those issues, because she was working with a therapist, a professional in reference to that part. But she came to me and she's I dream of him, I dream of having sex with him. I can't get him out of my mind. You know, I've longed for him, I long for him. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I should just call him. I long for this sexual connection with him.
Speaker 2:And so what I did is we had a talk, which we call a platica, and then I told her, I said you're hooked into him and your sexual energy you've merged energetically. You need to do, you need to do some things to release the sexual energy and unhook the sexual ties. And so, in our ways of curanderismo, one of the steps that we would do is we make a particular baño, that's a bath that unhooks the sexual ties, and there's a process connected to it. She took the bath, she did the process, and then I got her on the table and did the energetic pieces of unhooking the man, unhooking this lover, which is what she wanted, and I unhooked him from her. I released those energies, I sent those energies back to him and claimed her energies back to her and, as we call it in our way, making her whole, making her complete, returning her whole essence back into her and him, not him not carrying her, not carrying him, and they're not being any hooks or any ties.
Speaker 2:Lovers, when you mix with someone, when you mix juices, as my grandma used to say, when you mix juices with someone, be that in the tongue, in the lips and in the genitals, if you mix juices, if you mix energy, if you're mixing energy with the person that is lustful, you're hooking into them, they're hooking into you, whether you actually have sex with them or you don't. If you have a lustful kind of connection, eye to eye contact, you're hooking into them, you're giving them access to you and vice versa. The reason why she couldn't get him out is that she was literally hooked into him. Once those hooks were undone for her, the relationship was over. She was just able to say I loved this man and I didn't love the toxicity, right, I didn't love the negativity or the levels of abuse and I couldn't get out of it because I was tied into him. And so once she did, that was it.
Speaker 1:While that is a profound story of release and healing, it does make you wonder just how long do we carry our sexual partners in our energy fields?
Speaker 2:It can be for years that you carry somebody when you mix with them energetically.
Speaker 2:Think about it this way when you have sex with somebody whether you're in love with them or not and you have sex with somebody, you're exchanging energy. They're taking some of your frequency and a piece of you and you're taking a piece of them energetically and you're taking it into you. So let's say somebody, let's say you're like a pretty calm person and you sleep with a guy or a woman who is just totally intense and all pissed off all the time totally intense and all pissed off all the time and you start noticing yourself being like dang, I feel really agitated or irritated or outside of my norm. Or you sleep with someone and you feel like exhausted and you're drained by them energetically and you're like, damn, I just made love with them and that was a great lovemaking session, but now I'm exhausted. You're carrying them with you. That's their frequency, and you're carrying it with you.
Speaker 2:And not only are you carrying them with you, but you're carrying who they've been with you and so it's gross, it's energetic hygiene, and so when you're looking at it that way and you mix with somebody, you really are mixing with them energetically, you're taking on a bit of them and of you, and it can last for years. A one-night stand could last for years. If you're a frequent flyer with a person, it can last a long time. If you have children with somebody, it takes a little bit more work to do the unhooking because you've created life with that person.
Speaker 1:Looking at the data, women who have any form of financial independence or opportunity will statistically leave a marriage or partnership at overwhelmingly higher rates than women without financial means. Internationally, we see that women who have the ability and social privilege to live their own lives will do so and they will abandon marriages which are not beneficial to them. While I'm absolutely not disregarding the complexities around the individual circumstances any person or group of people experiences, the data is still interesting and I encourage any listener to research it. With that, I wonder, with all the letting go that women do in their life experience, is the letting go energy or the ability to walk away from a bad relationship in connection with the divine feminine, or is it something else?
Speaker 2:altogether. I think it is a feminine quality. So women disconnect long before they're physically divorced or long before they're gone from a man, our partner, to either have respect or to not treat us that way or to nourish us in this way in the relationship. When we're doing that and they're not listening, they're not paying attention to the need of a woman, what happens is an automatic protection comes in around the heart and at that point the in-loveness gets buried underneath and what we do is we begin to emotionally disconnect and mentally disconnect. So we're out at the marriage and we've let go in that way long before the man realizes. When we're getting ready to leave, we're like celebration time is out the door and the man doesn't realize that. So when a woman leaves, it hits him later.
Speaker 2:It's a little bit behind in that, not in a right or wrong way, it's just the way that we process as men and women. So when you're talking about the divine feminine, it's one of those things where you say, yeah, that's a feminine quality and it's a feminine force of protection and strength, because there are certain things that we as women come here to do hands, relationship and hold relationship at a particular standard so that we can create the things that are safe, happy and healthy, and we nest and we root and we give life, we birth, we hold in our womb, and so, yes, we have that capacity to let go, but we do it in a processed way, whether we're conscious or not conscious of it, in which we let go emotionally. Once we're disconnected emotionally, the party's over for the guy.
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